The Media Society Presents: Black on Black: Clive Myrie in Conversation with Sir Trevor Phillips, OBE


Clive Myrie and Sir Trevor Phillips

Members of the Media Society were invited to a special evening in which they learned of the state of diversity in British Broadcasting by two elite journalists. BBC News presenter, Clive Myrie was in conversation with the former ITV London Weekend Television Executive, Sir Trevor Phillips, OBE.

Humble Beginnings

Clive Myrie was born in Bolton, England to Jamaican parents. His mother was a qualified teacher in Jamaica but was made to work as a seamstress upon her arrival in England. The Myrie family of 7 lived a stone’s throw away from Bolton Wanderers Football Club and with sport being a household favourite, Clive was fittingly named after the legendary West Indies Cricket captain, Clive Lloyd. He went to grammar school before completing a law degree at the University of Sussex, graduating in 1985. Trevor Phillips was born in London along with 8 others to Guyanese parents. Like Clive, Trevor’s mother was also made to take on work as a seamstress and he too attended grammar school before acquiring a university degree in law and chemistry from Imperial College London. Both Trevor and Clive were quick to point out their parents’ initial disapproval of their chosen professions. “The expectations my parents had for me were to become a lawyer or doctor. So you can imagine the shock I gave them when I told them that I had wanted to pursue a career in journalism,” says Clive. Trevor clearly identified with Clive’s dilemma when approaching his parents with the subject of career choice. He said: “Guyanese parents have very high expectations of their children – they see them as doctors or lawyers but never as journalists because its not viewed as an honest and hard-working profession.”

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Clive Myrie in conversation with Trevor Phillips

Any parental disapproval of their career choices was quickly put to bed when the two journalists became regular faces on prime time tv during a time when the screen had previously been dominated by middle class white males. Clive, a familiar face on BBC Evening News, had applied to a BBC Training Course where he managed to sternly beat off thousands of entrants to secure himself one of the 12 offered places. “For as long as I can remember, I have always loved telling stories,” begins Clive, who adds: “I wanted to see a world beyond the four walls of Bolton. So when, to my delight, I was offered one of those 12 spaces on the BBC Training Course, I quickly said goodbye to law and now the rest is history.” For Trevor, the ambition was always to be involved in a management role. He said: “My parents’ high expectations were matched by my desire to be in charge of something.” Firstly, Trevor went on to become a presenter on ITV London Weekend Television before being promoted to Executive Presenter. Later on, he would become Chairman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission and now is currently the President of the partnership council of the John Lewis Partnership. “My parents’ strong work ethic along with their high expectations for me and my desire to become a manager were the stepping stones which paved the way to where I am today,” he said. 

Diversity in British Broadcasting

Although Trevor (at age 62) is 10 years Clive’s senior, both journalists have over 20 years experience in the profession. During those years there have been some changes in the representation of diversity in news though perhaps not on a seismic level. “Diversity in broadcasting is now slightly more widely represented than it was before but its still not enough, especially at executive levels,” says Clive. Trevor agrees with Clive’s analysis of the current situation. He said: “My career began 10 years before Clive’s and I along with Sir Trevor McDonald and Moira Stewart were, at the time, just a handful of the faces to be diversely represented on television news. I was very fortunate to get to an executive level but while there are more of us on the screen nowadays, not enough progress has been made during the last 20 years.” Both presenters believe there needs to be a fairer reflection of diversity in more senior and executive roles. “Today, Clive is a leader in his field but behind him there is no one,” says Trevor. He adds: “There are virtually no television executive roles being occupied by those from ethnically diversed backgrounds. Consequently we are in a disturbingly worst state now than we were in my time as an an executive.” Clive points out that the decline in journalism as a profession along with its conditions of pay are also partly to blame. He said: “Journalism doesn’t pay much now like it did before. Working for a local newspaper doesn’t pay the bills. While work experience and apprenticeship schemes are good they do not always guarantee a paid job at the end of it.” Trevor agrees. He said: “It is because of the lack of representation in the media along with the decline in the profession and its pay that journalism, as a career, is not made readily attractive to those from diverse backgrounds.”

Moira Stewart with Sir Trevor McDonald

The Future

For both Clive and Trevor, the future of diversity in British Broadcasting can begin to look brighter with the entrusting of a more diverse presence within both senior and executive roles so as to reflect the society we live in today. The two journalists hope that their experiences within the industry can inspire others to follow the same path. “Being in Moorhouse College in Atlanta in 2008 was one of the best stories I covered in my role as the BBC Foreign Correspondent,” says Clive. He added: “To be surrounded by thousands of people in tears as we witnessed the historical election of Barack Obama to President of the United States of America in the same place where Martin Luther King Jnr received his education was an incredibly humbling experience.” For Trevor, the fight to make it in the industry must go on. He said: “I don’t see myself as a controversial figure although in the past some have viewed me as one. I just believe in democracy, arguing and fighting for what you believe in.” Having both fought to get to where they find themselves now, Clive and Trevor strongly encourage the media aspirants of the future to do the same.

(C) Copyright 2016, Darell J Philip